Why do we refer to Israel as “the Jewish state,” but not Palestine as “the Muslim state?” Why do we conflate religion with nationality?
@AlliFlowers Because there are a dozen Muslim nations across a vast area of the world that (purport to) protect Muslim people and values, but there is but one tiny nation that is explicitly to support Jews.
Because Israel was founded as a state where Jews could go and not worry about Christians killing them any time the harvest was a bit sub-optimal?
Seriously, I'm sure you're a nice person, but you clearly have no idea what's going on here, or the long and sad histories behind it.
@jztusk I have a very good idea, along with all the relatives and friends b’eretz Yisrael to go along with it. My comments were aimed at those who don’t get it.
@AlliFlowers There is a significant Palestinian Christian minority. Hamas claims to be Islamic but the Palestinian Authority is secular.
@not2b But the PA IS Hamas.
@AlliFlowers That is ignorant. The PA is headed up by Hamas's rival for power, Fatah.
@not2b Double check your sources on that.
@AlliFlowers My sources are good, thanks. Perhaps you are thinking of the election where Hamas won and the other side refused to recognize this, followed by a civil war. The outcome of that was that Hamas wound up in control of Gaza and Fatah had control in the West Bank. But only the PA, headed up by Abbas, has international recognition, and they aren't Hamas.
There is a lot to unpack here, but are you somehow under the impression that Palestine is more religiously diverse than Israel and that's why people call Israel the Jewish state? Or that the Palestinian Authority is secular as opposed to Israel?
I'm genuinely curious if somehow you were actually given this understanding of the religious dynamics in those areas?
@imstilljeremy No. You miss my being a total smartarse because too many people aren’t thinking about that when they make their anti-Israel pro-Palestine comments. They don’t get it. @not2b
I replied to his post. If you want to insist other people "don't get it", it helps to make sure you understand the post by the person to whom you are replying.
I didn't miss anything. You did.
@imstilljeremy @AlliFlowers No, I am not under that impression. I know that most Palestinians, including those with Israeli citizenship (about 20%) are Muslim. I was replying to a comment that called Palestine "the Muslim state".
@not2b It didn’t call it that. It asked why it wasn’t called that.
The implication is that Muslims have many “states” countries where they can be safe and worship as they see fit. @imstilljeremy
She very specifically contrasted the two. If you answer one in a way that doesn't apply to the other, you haven't responded in any meaningful way except to say you find the person unworthy of even your consideration.
It is usually considered more polite to just not respond in that case.
@imstilljeremy She is me! *I* asked the question. SMH @not2b
@imstilljeremy FFS, separate the names. See the way I do it? There is no chance of mistake that way. A lot less confusing for the entire fediverse. @not2b
You could actually read the post you reply to rather than deciding everybody is against you.
You keep screwing up simple reading comprehension and you are try to tell me to model myself after you?
As I said, you two deserve each other.
@AlliFlowers because Israel was intentionally ally created as a state for Jewish people. Palestine was not created just for Muslims.
@pixel Bingo. So why do Palestinians need the land?
@AlliFlowers may I suggest the book “The Shortest History of Israel and Palestine”.
@pixel Thanks, I’m good.
@AlliFlowers What was the point of your original post? I get the feeling maybe it was a leading question? Did you already know the answer you were looking for?
@pixel Just trying to make people think past who’s dropping bombs on whom. Too many people do not recognize their own antisemitism.
@AlliFlowers ah. I don’t think there’s a correct answer here. There’s no “good” or “bad”. Jewish people believe they have a right to the land, and so do the Palestinians. Israel should not have taken more and more land. That drove the creation of Hamas. You back someone into a corner, they’re going to turn violent. But what remains of Palestine isn’t doing everything right either. it’s just a complete mess, and unless both sides are willing to share the land, this is a war that will never end.
@AlliFlowers Well, only one is an actual state.