@Radical_EgoCom@kolektiva.social Just remember you have to be able to be electable regardless of how liberal you’d like to be. Democrats have been hindered by this reality for decades. 🤔
I don't want to be liberal. I'm a socialist.
I'm a socialist.
I am definitely not liberal. I find it insulting when I am mistaken for one.
I don't share political views with Hilary Clinton / Joe Biden / etc. I find them to be enablers of the right wing.
Maybe this can help you understand.
@selzero @Radical_EgoCom@kolektiva.social I looked up some definitions, and I’ll agmit that I did not realize socialism in some defs, included collective ownership, which I’m not sold on. So I admit there is a difference. I was thinking in terms of social benefit, social safety nets, medical programs, education, housing and substinance.
Please describe why you are insulted if mistaken as liberal. A difference I see is private ownership, depending on def used.
https://www.wordnik.com/words/liberalism
https://www.wordnik.com/words/socialism
My definition of socialism linked (more on the thread)
I'm not against markets or private ownership. I believe all our systems should be resources to benefit mankind, instead of mankind being a resource to benefit our systems.
Sometimes markets and private ownership are good.
The insulting part: 2 things and I believe we have a Stockholm Syndrome blindness to them.
1- Normalizing the right by compromising on things.For example. Obama should have gone all out and put in place a universal healthcare system. He should have pushed the system to it's limits in the same way the right is doing about abortion. But he caved to corporate pressure. This compromising with the philosophy that human health is an economic resource is barbaric.
2- Putting the requirements of the systems above the requirements of the people.
Liberals fall inline with industry groups and money, in pursuit of short term profits ahead of human well-being and even long term growth.
Healthcare is a good example, as is adult education.
Freeing people of student debt not only has an up side to their well being, an educated adult population will create economic growth in the long term. But no, the libs won't have it.
The socialists trapped in the DEM party such as Sanders and AOC will push for these things.
The liberals will pay it lip service.
Then they will blame the right and claim they have to compromise.
Meanwhile falling on a middle ground their sponsors conveniently asked them to land on in the first place.
It's insulting to be considered the same as these opportunistic powermongers.
@selzero @Radical_EgoCom@kolektiva.social I want to know how you avoid compromise in a Democratic representative system? There is no such thing as just dictating to the other side (ok tell that to the GOP 🤔) You either have the votes or you don’t. And I believe if the majority would get off their asses and vote, the #GOP would be vanquished as a threat to the country as it currently exists.
@Huntn00 @Radical_EgoCom
I'm not against compromise.
I'm against the liberal method of creating a fake debate knowing full well you are going to land into the middle.
I am behind thought leaders that push for their ideas and may have to occasionally compromise.
But saying human health is "partially an economic market" is not a compromise. It is capitulation.
The DEM party have never really made the case for universal healthcare. The truth is, Liberals don't believe in it.