@wakame @Radical_EgoCom @Huntn00 > I would imagine this to happen all the time

Because exploitation by definition means gaining vastly more resources and it is kind of hard to topple much stronger opponent?

Also these structures are complicated and diverse. It is not like there's just some lone tower with an usurper sitting in it.

E.g. if some people somewhere in the world are unhappy with Bezos then to topple him they'd have to take on the entire US.

@shuro @Radical_EgoCom @Huntn00

I implicitly assumed that the "important" part of exploitation would not be natural resources, but humans/human labor.

I agree that someone could become a stronger opponent if you, for example, take nutrition and materials for weapons and armor into account. This would be only based on resources.

My argument for your example would be either "Who cares for the US?" or "If you really wanted to eliminate a single person, why not just pay for it?"

In the second case, I am not talking about having more money/resources than Bezos, but just enough money/resources to pay a motivated person somewhere in his vincinity to throw him off a cliff.

@wakame @shuro @Radical_EgoCom@kolektiva.social Wealth, I would not advocate the cliff solution, 😉 but I would advocate hard significant wealth caps. With automation arising, I don’t see the 1%living well and everyone else struggling as viable. Besides who needs more than $1m/yr to live a good life? When I was working I was very comfortable at $250k/yr but that was not living in California. 🫤

@Huntn00 @shuro @Radical_EgoCom

This was more in the style of "let's discuss human society mechanisms", less direct suggestions to change our society

@wakame @Radical_EgoCom@kolektiva.social @shuro I would describe it as taking advantage especially if you think by virtue of individual talents, you deserve much much more. Groups decide they are better because of their achievements and that includes placing others in physical or economic bondage because they can. The more comfortable and larger the tribe gets... Capitalism in the last 60yrs has become atrocious as those at the top think they should live like kings.

@Huntn00 @Radical_EgoCom @shuro

I think the main human problem is: Humans like to organize in tribes/groups. Those who are "in" are the good ones, the friends. Everyone else is the enemy.

We managed to have kingdoms and countries through a mix of propaganda (distributing a "common understanding" of living together instead of renegotiating it all the time in your group) and stuff like laws and law enforcement (the danger of punishment when you don't conform to the common understanding).

So instead of people with big clubs (the wooden kind) we today have people who are good at gaming the system (state, country, society) on top.

@wakame @Radical_EgoCom@kolektiva.social @shuro Hell there was a time when everyone in your company was part of the team and the owner wanted to share the wealth. Sometimes that still happens, but in many cases the team itself is divided between the important people and the expendables, and don’t forget about the shareholders. 🤔 Look at the CEO/worker pay ratio from the 1950s as compared to today.

@Huntn00 @Radical_EgoCom @shuro

I think by transforming a company more into a group/tribe/family (the actual kind, not the one with shareholders) could improve a lot of things.

Maybe with more "kindness" in the local group we could better motivate that people elsewhere also want to live.

@wakame @Radical_EgoCom @Huntn00 > transforming a company more into a group/tribe/family ... could improve a lot of things.

It is difficult after certain level of complexity is reached. E.g. I currently work in a company having around ten thousand people in core staff and there's also contractors, franchises, etc.

Sure family-like relations are pretty common in smaller startups but it is hard to maintain them when size and complexity grows and a couple of hundred people are coming and going every week.

Same for societies. Smaller collectives often are anarchist in their nature even if they don't call themselves that. Now scale it up to size of France. And I am not talking about just wine and cheese but also running and developing railroads, nuclear power plants, aviation and such.