Yes, dear....

@lednabwm Well by definition, Atheism is a belief.. Agnostism (not sure spelled correctly) on the other hand is the lack of a belief and that is the most scientific and rational.

@avi917

I've already explained all this, albeit probably along one of the threads. Because atheism is as old as theism, it's called a belief. This is because, back then, everything misunderstood called upon others to believe. Atheism now simply implies a lack of evidence. Agnosticism, on the other hand, is a refuge for intellectual cowards. The analysis does not account for the lack of evidence correctly or weight it properly against the notion of the obvious fact that humans invented god(s).

@lednabwm The way you describe Atheism is the way i know Agnosticism to be.
As far as i know, Atheism means to be sure there is no god, and Agnosticism means we have no evidence there is or isnt a god.

And btw its not a fact that humans invented gods, we cant prove it, and nonetheless the definitions of the terms Atheism and Agnosticism should be objective and not skewed by opinions of the people that are holding those notions.

i remind you that scientific thinking works by eliminating possibilities by disproving them scientifically, and so far we cant disprove (nor prove) the existence of what we call a god (or aliens for example) does it mean that (based on scientific approach) we should believe in god (or aliens) ? no, but it is still different to saying that there is for sure no god.
And Agnosticism is exactly the approach that describes that, and btw used not only in religion related topics. Agnosticism is basically scientific.

@avi917 @lednabwm
Absolutely agree. "Atheists get SO upset when I tell them "Atheism is a religion." They are absolutely positive their belief is true with no evidence to support it. They take it *on faith* that what they believe is true, and *they prosthetize* trying to convince others their belief is true. That's the very definition of a religion.

"Agnostics" don't proselytize. They admit they don't know whether there's a God or not.

@MugsysRapSheet @avi917 @lednabwm that's because you're gaslighting them. Telling atheists their 'lack of faith is a religion' is almost as dumb as worshipping an imaginary being itself

@nosmaharba @avi917 @lednabwm
LACK of faith? You clearly ignored what I wrote. Atheist are DEFINED by their "faith"... a 100% certainty that their BELIEF is true... even if that "belief" is that there is no God.

Proving my point about how upset Atheists get when you challenge their Religion.

@MugsysRapSheet @avi917 @nosmaharba @lednabwm My status as atheist is DEFINED by my lack of belief in one or more deities. In exactly the same way, my status as a non-stamp collector is DEFINED by my lack of collecting stamps.

Take as much time to think about that as you need.

@marcas @avi917 @nosmaharba @lednabwm
You are 100% certain there is no God. And you have no more proof that what you believe is true is in fact the truth.

That's the very definition of a religion.

@MugsysRapSheet @marcas @avi917 @nosmaharba @lednabwm

I'm 100% certain my kitchen sink can't talk.

I'm I a Catholic or an Islamist?

@FloydyStu @marcas @avi917 @nosmaharba @lednabwm
There isn't a religion trying to convince people kitchen sinks talk.

@MugsysRapSheet @FloydyStu @marcas @avi917 @nosmaharba ahhh... but there's this napkin and it talks: